[Abcde-users] Abcde and aiff

[Bodnar, Jason]

I know nothing about aiff but if there's a command line program to display
aiff tags perhaps the OP can post the output from that program run on a
file that isn't sorted properly. That might help us discover what is not
working.

But I agree that this almost certainly a problem with the OP's system setup
or abdce vonfig.

Jason Bodnar
jason at shakabuku.org


On Mon, Apr 21, 2025, 2:45 AM Gabriel Rosenkoetter <gr at eclipsed.net> wrote:

> On 2025-04-20 23:16, Dry Martini Holding Company 😎 wrote:
> > Mr. Rosen letter,
>
> No need to Mister me. ;^>
>
> > Greetings and thank you for your reply. Yes, I am running the rune audio
> server on a raspberry pi 3.
>
> I think that part of the problem here may be that you are asking the
> wrong set of people the wrong question, although I don't think either of
> those "wrong" things are your fault.
>
> I think that the question that you actually want to be asking is how
> RuneAudio needs audio files presented so that it can index them properly.
>
> I don't know the answer to that question, so I don't know how to suggest
> changes to the way that you're running abcde in order to produce files
> that Rune will index properly.
>
> (I did read through https://www.runeaudio.com/documentation/ and I
> didn't find anything resembling the detail I'd need to answer your
> questions. When looking for source code, I got as far as
> https://www.runeaudio.com/forum/help-the-project-f24.html and… kinda
> gave up for the night. It doesn't seem like they've chosen to make it
> easy for people outside their in-set to understand how their software
> works.)
>
> For what it's worth, I routinely run abcde on macOS (of various
> versions), play the files in various ways (including Apple's Music.app,
> and synchronized to both a modern iPhone and a somewhat-dated iPod), and
> I don't have any problems indexing files by artist, album, genre, so forth.
>
> I think that the problem you're having is that the way that you are
> running abcde is not populating the metadata on the files at all. That
> is something that is normally controlled either by command-line flags or
> by configuration file.
>
> That's why both josh and I have asked that you tell us how you're
> running abcde, so that we can help you run it in a way that populates
> those fields that Rune is (we presume) looking for.
>
> I'm also not simply sending you a file that you can save as
> ~/.abcde.conf because I would have to do a lot of work to generalize the
> file that I have there so that it doesn't try to access directories that
> don't exist on your system and run programs that you keep in different
> locations.
>
> It's possible that
>
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1179179/abcde-what-is-an-abcde-conf-file-to-rip-to-multiple-formats
> may be closer to a turn-key answer for you, but I have not used the
> config file presented there personally, so I can't vouch for it.
>
> > As for utf-8, that is what is required by the rune software, per the
> developers. As a contrast, I have in the past, used XLD for Mac to encode
> my music to aiff format, and when transferred to the Pi server, the music
> files are cataloged and displayed as they should be.
>
> That is a helpful piece of information, but I don't think that the
> problem you're having is related to UTF-8 encoding of track metadata.
>
> I'm also unfamiliar with XLD (I do see
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/xld/). I have no idea what it's doing
> differently with its output files than the way that you have executed
> abcde, and I also don't know how you have executed abcde.
>
> > When they are encoded with Abcde and transferred to the server, the
> files are only displayed in alpha order. However, they are not cataloged
> under “album view”, or or album list view. I can access them as is, but
> this is a bit cumbersome as is.
>
> It would help a lot if you could show us what command you used to run
> abcde.
>
> > I really like Linux and I like the Abcde script for its capabilities,
> and want to solve this problem. The fact that XLD produces aiff encoded
> music that displays properly, tells me that the problem is with some
> particular setup of the Abcde script.
>
> I understand how you got to that conclusion, but I think that your logic
> is missing several steps, because I don't think that you fully
> understand how the metadata about a given track is attached to the
> actual "music" content.
>
> I also don't think that you should have to understand that in order to
> transfer music from CDs that you own to online digital storage that you
> own. Unfortunately, I don't think that one can perform that operation
> using abcde without understanding more than "should" be necessary about
> that.
>
> --
> Gabriel Rosenkoetter (he/him)
> gr at eclipsed.net
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