[Expo-tech] Chasing http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/

Wed Jan 1 20:22:24 GMT 2020

Hi Mark,

Sorry, yes the reference to mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk is in the annual mission statement  in

http://expo.survex.com/years/2001/goals.htm

and none of those expo.survex.com/years/ reports are managed by troggle, though it does leap into view if you mistype a URL and it offers to create the page for you – which is rather annoying default behaviour.

>From 2001 onwards there is a more regular naming system for the reports, e.g.

http://expo.survex.com/years/2000/report.htm which I see was done by you. This became even more systematic as the /years/ page began to be used for planning too, and 2018 http://expo.survex.com/years/2018/ is a high point for that. This year the expo leaders are using Slack but we have no copying or archiving process in place to more-properly record that apart from manually copying things and creating HTML by hand (I’m doing a couple of those now).

These are all straight HTML – no trogglishness.

The troggle reports are working for me:

http://expo.survex.com/expeditions

and I found the consolidated table at the bottom of that page/report incredibly useful for sorting out bad and broken wallets data as it combines logbook trips with survey trips recorded in the svx files.

This also shows an appalling lack of logbook entries for trips we know happened because we have the survey notes. This is even worse in recent years.

But I still have no clue what was on http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/ - mostly transport planning I imagine.

Philip

PS I still have 3 bottles of your wine brought back from Expo2018.

From: Mark Shinwell [mailto:mshinwell at gmail.com] 
Sent: 01 January 2020 18:03
To: Philip Sargent (Gmail)
Cc: Martin Green
Subject: Re: Chasing http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/

Well I went to the Expo website, to the years list, and tried to look at 2000 and 2001.  All the links are broken.  One of the problems is a duplicate "/years/" in the URL, but that's not all.

I did manage to get the 2000 report by fixing one of the URLs, but I couldn't see any references to mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk, which has indeed been offline for many years.  Can you please point me directly at the page containing these links (and ditto for 2001)?

The problems I see here with basic information not being accessible are pretty disheartening and reinforce my view that Troggle has, overall, been a complete disaster.  I've had some discussions in the past about a dramatically simpler replacement, and it looks like I should start thinking again.  I don't see how the current state is sustainable.

Mark

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 17:48, Philip Sargent (Gmail) <philip.sargent at gmail.com> wrote:

Mark,

I see that this is probably yours. Do you have an archive of it ? Or has it all already got converted into the current expo system?

Philip

PS Sorry for bothering you Martin.

From: Philip Sargent (Gmail) [mailto:philip.sargent at gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 December 2019 17:42
To: 'Martin Green (martin.speleo at gmail.com)'
Subject: Chasing http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/

Hi Martin,

There are references in the 2000 and 2001 expo reports of stuff on  <http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/> http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/

which has been defunct for years.  The new CUCC website has archives going back to only 2008: https://camcaving.uk/Documents/Expo/Legacy/

so I wondered if you had a personal archive of any of the things that were on  <http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/> http://mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/

..oho.. the wayback machine has some of it

https://web.archive.org/web/20031124231315/mrs30.quns.cam.ac.uk/expo/

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