[Expo-tech] Caves that don't exist even though we have survex files

[Wookey]

On 2020-06-29 22:23 +0100, Philip Sargent (Gmail) wrote:
> OK,
> (having looked carefully through cave-number-index and the kataster lists),
> 
> we have these directories in the :loser: repo with survex files in them,
> but "the system" doesn't know that there are 'caves' of these names.

> These are presumably those which are waiting for kataster numbers, but in
> the meantime we surely should have them "as caves" in the
> http://expo.survex.com/caves list, or are they too small to be worth
> bothering with? 

Caves which we surveyed but which are too small to officially be caves
do exist (B4 is one, although if we survey it really hard I think it
can scrape in, and probably should do as otherwise it's just get found
over and over again - there are a couple of others). But we still want
entries even if they don't qualify for kataster numbers

> Since they don't exist "as caves" it looks like they don't exist "as
> entrances" either. Which is a bit of a bummer as they won't appear on
> prospecting lists (?) despite having been surveyed ?!?
> 
> So what "should" we do with them, and what will we actually do with them?

Most of them just need a cave page adding, fishing out details from
logbooks, notes, people, photos, call-out books. Some caves are not
connected in the dataset because they have a survey but no entrance
location (there is at least one ARGE cave with this status). The
propecting guide existed to summarise this sort of 'what is still
missing' info, but has not been maintained much recently as things
changed around it. 'noinfo/katasterable-or-not' is probably best
current summary.

Some of them may exist, but as a different cave, having got a kataster
ID, but the dataset has not yet been renumbered to match. We know that
we have a backlog there. Normally the website and loser repos get
renumbered togther but the loser git transition means the loser half
is lagging. However this doesn't seem to be the case for any of these.

I had quick a look to see what info was obvious. More could be found with some more effort.

:loser:/caves-1623/2007-04
lgobook 2007 description and location. Apparently surveyed by me and Richard Mundy

:loser:/caves-1623/2007-05 
:loser:/caves-1623/2007-06
:loser:/caves-1623/2007-07
These 3 are Atkinson and Lawson. locations and info/descriptions in 2007 logbook

:loser:/caves-1623/2007-12 Jon telling and Morven Beranek. Nothing but a location
:loser:/caves-1623/2009-01 Frank Tully Location only
:loser:/caves-1623/2009-02 Frank Tully Location only
:loser:/caves-1623/2010-06 Tully and Janke Location only
:loser:/caves-1623/2010-07 Tully and Janke has location, On the way to 110.
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-01  Matt Watson, Holly Bradley Becka Lawson. Connect into 'Ants in Your Pants' (2013-03) (logbook 2014)
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-02 Noel Snape location only?
:loser:/caves-1623/2010-04 Hole near Balconhoehle. Luke, Andrew, <u>Becka</u>, George have been there. Exploration in 2016 logbook
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-05 
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-06
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-07
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-08
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-12
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-14
:loser:/caves-1623/2012-ns-15
All Noel. All have location and fake-looking 'straight down from GPS point' surveys
from 2015-08-15. No write-up (although one cave apparently tagged on 20th with Julian).
I suspect these are just noted shafts which need a real visit.

:loser:/caves-1623/2014-BL888 Futrells and Neil Pacey. Explored 2014-08-03 (logbook 2014). Sketch in logbook.
:loser:/caves-1623/2018-pf-01 Paul Fox and Adam Aldridge Tagged, surveyed, photoed, located. I've been there.
:loser:/caves-1623/2018-pf-02 Paul Fox and Natalie. Tagged
There is a 2018-pf-03 too. And a 2018-NTU-02
Descriptions, tag status, drawings, pics in 2018 logbook


:loser:/caves-1623/2007-neu ;Moved to fixepts/misc.svx
:loser:/caves-1623/gruenstein
Both ARGE.

I also found 2013-03 'Ants in your Pants' which has its data
hidden inside 2012-ns-01 in loser, I guess as they are deemed to be one
cave with two entrances, but as they've been given two references
that's probably just confusing at this point


This file is useful in cross-checking:
noinfo/cave-number-index


Wookey
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